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- From: Michael_Nolte@k.maus.de (Michael Nolte)
- Subject: RE: Ofir's digest 13.06
- Date: Thu, 16 Jun 94 01:41:00 GMT
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- Vincent Lefevre:
- >closing a window is more frequent than cycling windows.
- That may be true for you, but generally it's the other way around.
-
- Ofir:
- >This was in my original proposal but was removed, maybe I should put it
- >back then.
- No. No. No. CTRL-I is no good for italic, because then you would have to
- use CTRL-U for underlined and CTRL-B for bold. CTRL-U is already used as
- close window and some people want to use CTRL-B for "Begin block". For how
- many things do you want to use these combinations? If you keep this up,
- we'll end up pressing CTRL-U and then a number from 1-9 to decide what
- CTRL-U is supposed to mean. :-(
- If somebody wants I for italic. Give them ALT-I that wouldn't disturb U
- and B.
- >>CTRL E - Save configuration
- >is rarely used by the end user
- We might consider using ALT-S.
- >CTRL+J may be used for Goto,
- ALT-G looks more like Goto than CTRL-J does. I guess anybody who's ever
- typed a couple of lines in BASIC can remember Goto better than Jump to.
- >the idea is to join the Atari and German standards which are already
- >well established. Anything else is not exceptable.
- I strongly support this point of view.
- >>programmers, it won't be widely accepted--and I will not follow a
- >>standard which I think doesn't make sense.
- > Fine. I don't see why you are here then.
- Me neither. If he's not willing to follow the standard anytime, then he's
- wasting our time. Can we develop a mechanism to get rid of people like
- that? I know this sounds pretty hard and some people won't like it, but if
- we want to get anywhere, we need to be able to protect the results of our
- work and our efforts.
- >Can you think of reasons why you would need to deviate from it?
- Yeah. I'd like to know that too. Why would someone have a real need to
- deviate from a good standard.
-
- Warwick Allison:
- >Scrap the whole concept of an `Abandon' option. It makes more sense to
- >just provide a Close option that gives `Cancel | Abandon | Save' options.
- No. If I tell my machine "Close a window" I expect it to ask me, if I
- really want to do this or to close the window straight away if nothing has
- been changed. But throwing away changes and reloading the original
- contents of the window has nothing to do with closing a window, simply
- because the window doesn't get closed. I'd consider a program to be pretty
- dumb if it gave me an "Abandon work" option after I said "Close".
-
- Gerd Castan:
- >CTRL G Find/Replace next
- >Shift CTRL G Find/Replace previous
- Then both the application and the user would have to remember if the last
- action was Find or Replace. Thanks, but no thanks. (Sh-)CTRL-T is easier.
- What else would you need CTRL-T for? Anything that you couldn't use ALT-T
- for?
-
- Bo Leuf:
- >Or should we in general recommend that a block can only be deleted
- >explicitly, preferably with a Ctrl-Delete?
- The more I think about it, the more I like the idea, that a block should
- only be deleted explicitely. We should think about a useable shortcut for
- it.
-
- Mike
-